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  • #9397

    Hi All

    Has anyone had any success in using a strategy in demo or live for a significant period of time?

    Are the results similar to back testing over the same period?

    I am not interested in the logic or code – just want to know its possible to be successful on this platform.

    Thanks

    Kiran

    #9398
    art

    Hallo Kiran,

    I think that if you concentrate on just ONE simple thing (e.g., a p/b in a trend) and learn ALL instances of price behaviour in that situation (w or w/out indicators), you can achieve what you suggest.

    Cheers,

    art

     

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    #11266

    Hi Kiran,

    I wanted to make a similar post. I’ve tested almost all pro order code on this website, forward on demo account. None of them made trades, I would agree with on the long run. Also the indicators (Can’t tell for 10.3 Version indicators) are nice and fancy but still worse than pure price action and derived support and resistance lines.

    So taking the indicator aside, as it is more a “taste” thing. I would be really happy if someone has pro order code that makes profits over weeks, without long holding time (> 1 week) and a huge possible draw down, due to lack of stop setting. I really would appreciate this, maybe it is my lack of skill to configure them correctly.

    Best Regards
    Patrick

    #11274

    Hi. Interesting question. I also found a lot of backtested code not delivering on live paper trading. one thing I did not allow the live test to run 3 month but I will, so it’s still early in the live test. 2nd the zero bar profit in backtest will fail live. Almost no SL will be met in the same bar and almost every trailing SL will be met from close in the same bar. I also did not test the “rule1” positive as a way to overcome the zero bar issue. It still looks like the trade is made within the same bar. We need all price action in the bar to make a realistic backtest not only the high,low, open and close Hopefull the problems will be solved in next ver 10.3

    cheers

    Kasper

    #11302

    Kasper & Patrick,

    I follow your thoughts and know what is working in real life but im not there with automated trading and all code that has to be
    in place in order to get i right. For sure there must be able to make sucess with autotrades, it must be a matter of programming
    skills and possibillities from the developer.

    One thing is also for sure, i cant see how a coded indicator or system here would work that great over time until you can use
    multiple timeframes settings for filters and executing orders.
    I trade indices with cfd on IG and i feel it will be difficult to decide if the auto system should trade
    9 to 17.30 or 24/7 ? I see god and bad on each. The good thing is like when brexit happend in the night i was stopped out at 01.30
    but if i had a system that worked normal hours then i had lossed nearly 1000 points or 25000 eur/contract. The bad is that sometimes
    the activity during night with asia makes your system to buy/sell at wrong times perhaps?

    Do you trade stocks or indicies , and witch timeframe do you prefer ?

    Curre

    #11317

    The hard thing to handle is the draw down when trading with leverage

    every time in deep draw down i start thinking that the system stopped to work and thinking of change it or close it down

     

     

     

    #11682

    @Elsborgtrading: Agree.

    @Curre: I totally agree with multiple time frames. If I multiply a certain indicator to simulate a higher time frame, it is not the same if it is calculated from the higher time frame. I do not know a single working strategy without the usage of multiple time frames. All the other things you’ve mentioned are possible to be programmed.

     

    I brought this post back on top because I see a lot of good people posting indicators and pro order strategies and none of them was of use for me. Just was wondering if there is something out there or if it will be just like with meta trader indicators and EAs. I just answered it myself: It has to be the same. I do not think there will come up something soon for free. The people earning money with their automated strategies usually talk about things like: C++, Java, Python or any other programming language, 100.000 or 1.000.000 lines of code, connections next to stock market, teams of analysts, consistent adjustment of the strategy basket (right, not one strategy, multiple !) … how should then be something with less then 100 lines of code ever be successful ?

    I guess I should stay with my uncountable lines of code in my brain, my eyeballs as an indicator and the ability of my finger to push the button.

     

    #11692

    What I found out in my relative short period as a “trader” that I was not successful. I need to study-Period!

    So I found out that the marked seems to repeat it self- that why we, or at least some, have the feeling about where the market will go. Also, markets change and markets are difference. It not the same people that trade the same marked- different psychology and strategy + the fact of FA, yields different price action. So I figured that one strategy is not for every marked. But adjusted it can be fitted. At least when it comes to automated trading. Here we have the ability to sometimes think out if the box and “what If’s?” what if the RSI 14 over bought threshold is not 80, but 78, or the oversold is not 20 but 23. the RSI is in fact better in some other strange period that 14. or the timetables id better from 11:25-18:15 and so on. I believe that the automation can find those combination for you- based on backtesting and optimization. But it’s still up to you to come up with the framework for the strategy. I suggest you look at this video for optimization. This will change everything 🙂 http://www.prorealcode.com/blog/video-tutorials/how-to-optimize-a-trading-system-with-probacktest-prorealtime/

    My Proorder codes until now is relying mainly on 4H timeframe but some has 1H and 5min. Until PRT solves the zero bar problem- don’t trust the test that has the profit only in one bar. I mainly test the Pro order code I posted, can’t miss it. It’s the only one I posted 🙂 I have moved to paper trading- and so far- this week it has been profitable, I also do test some codes from the site here that is doing well. I know it’s too soon to tell if the code will be profitable over 3 month, as I only tested it for 2 or 3 weeks. But it is a progression. my first idea was based on Ichimoku. I spend weeks coding only “the holy grail” only to be disappointed by the zero bar profit! you can see why in the screen dump.

    I code on Indexes and commodities, but not limited to- I just haven’t got around to other marked with IG. In fact I’m really a newbie when it comes to all the CFD’s, EFT’s, 2.lvl and all those terms. I will learn along the way, when I find a code that I want to try out in the real account. I haven’t found a strategy that fits the forex marked- however there are some nice codes here that I think has potential on Indices. Renko and MM, Donchian Aviator, Lift up and down, DAX 5 min automated, is some that I found here that I think has potential, however I also feel that people will not post all their personal indicators with the code, so their are just basic where you need to spice them up or optimize variables as in the video.

    I also think that with multible timeframes in PRT there will be some more interesting ways to go. But I also have a feeling because the code within PRT is so easy to learn it’s very high lvl code and that has limitation. Not that I am very experienced in coding, I’m really not, but I had in the technically studies 20 year ago. It’s just my gut feeling because I read about some other ways to code somewhere on the net. From a perspective that indicators are lagging, they swore to pattern recognition- so they implemented a face recognition code to indentify the patterns. That is heavy, and not something I think can be done with PRT.

    Cheers Kasper

    #12326

    Your point about market and time in general is really true. Most algos try to trade all the time, which is kind of weired. I only would trade the markets I know at the times they are tradeable, which is for me around London Open and NY Open. All other means low volatility, small people moving markets and never knowing when a big one smashes in. Anyway. I only see a chance if I translate my manual trading strategy into a semi manual and then maybe into an automated, if even possible. Playing around with other peoples code is until then still fun. Whish you all best for your code.

    #57853
    Leo

    DerPat, if you post your manual trading strategy in a forums, maybe we will be able to automatise it.

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    #97733

    I think one of the main reasons people fail is because they underestimate the costs of trading: Spreads, slippage cost of holding a position etc. I Will search this forum for a thread about cost of trading, spreads etc. Can someone guide me to a relevant thread about this?

    #97739

    Here is one of mine, i have had it activated live (almost) every day since around january 2018. My latest version has been live since october 2018.

    (minor change to the trailing stop loss so core strategy and variables have been then same ever since creation)

    Its been so far been 99% the same as the backtest.

     

    i have 15 algos running live since october 2018, and so far only a couple have shown signs to not be as profitable as backtest shows. I went live with all my systems like 2-3 days before the huge october crash which sent most index down -20%~ and most of my algos are long only stock index, but even with that crash most have still been profitable and look very similar to the backtests.

    #97742

    I Will search this forum for a thread about cost of trading, spreads etc.

    Here is a start showing spread by hours through the day and there are several more IG web pages detailing costs.

    https://www.ig.com/uk/help-and-support/spread-betting-and-cfds/fees-and-charges/what-are-igs-indices-spread-bet-product-details

    Also a link to overnight charges.

    https://www.ig.com/usermanagement/customeragreements?igCompany=iggb&agreementType=costs_and_charges&locale=en_GB

     

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