Nicholas I am sorry it has gone this way , my objective was to guide and through guidance and exploring the data i was planning on getting to the point of logical evidence  without going down the full data mining process that is prevalent . Datamining is easier than logical decision trees based on quantitative analysis and is a common mistake . Alas it was not to be  . Maybe at another time when the other party is on holidays i will return and continue this journey  , i actually tried to draw him into the conversation as he does have skillsets that could compliment the process , i will never make that mistake again