2nd derivative test for volume

This topic has 9 replies, 4 voices, and was last updated 2 years ago by Khaled.

Viewing 10 posts - 1 through 10 (of 10 total)

09/24/2021 at 6:35 PM #178327

Suzu Yuk

Good day, I hope you are having a great weekend.

Has anyone seen anyone making an indicator or scanner with the second derivative test of preferably volume ( if not, its price is ok too)? The second derivative test is basically the slope of the slope. It is a similar relationship to acceleration and speed.

Rough concept code will be like this:

///////////////1st derivative test ///////////////

IF (Volume[2] - Volume[1]) < -1  THEN 

SlopeDecending2=-1                             

IF (Volume[1] - Volume) <  -1    THEN   // the above decending has been contenuaslly going down

SlopeDecending1=-1                              


///////////////2nd derivative test ///////////////


IF  (Volume[2] - Volume[1])  <   (Volume[1] - Volume)  THEN

Steepness=-1                               //Sharply falling stringent down


ELSE                                             //The above decending is ending soon

Steepness= 1                                //Bearish is ending and recovering to be Bull soon

///////////////1st derivative test ///////////////

IF (Volume[2] - Volume[1]) < -1 THEN

SlopeDecending2=-1

IF (Volume[1] - Volume) < -1 THEN // the above decending has been contenuaslly going down

SlopeDecending1=-1

///////////////2nd derivative test ///////////////

IF (Volume[2] - Volume[1]) < (Volume[1] - Volume) THEN

Steepness=-1 //Sharply falling stringent down

ELSE //The above decending is ending soon

Steepness= 1 //Bearish is ending and recovering to be Bull soon

Reference:

https://www.khanacademy.org/math/ap-calculus-ab/ab-diff-analytical-applications-new/ab-5-7/v/second-derivative-test

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8GAsYkZlpE

Suzu Yuk

Participant

Topics: 4

Replies: 16

Been thanked: 2 times

09/27/2021 at 3:25 PM #178574

<u>FD First derivative (slope)</u>

FD = Close – Close[n]

When FD = 0 then there is a relative maximum or minimum value.

<u>SD Second derivative (slope of the slope)</u>

SD = FD – FD[n]

When FD = 0 and SD < 0 then there is a relative maximum value.

When FD = 0 and SD > 0 then there is a relative minimum value.

FD = Close - Close[n]
SD = FD - FD[n]

If FD = 0 and SD > 0 then
Buy x contract at Market
ElsIf FD = 0 and SD < 0 then
SellShort x contract at Market
EndIf

FD = Close - Close[n]

SD = FD - FD[n]

If FD = 0 and SD > 0 then

Buy x contract at Market

ElsIf FD = 0 and SD < 0 then

SellShort x contract at Market

EndIf

1 user thanked author for this post.

Suzu Yuk

Participant

Topics: 27

Replies: 1807

Been thanked: 878 times

09/27/2021 at 3:42 PM #178576

robertogozzi

Line 1 will almost never return 0, so lines 4 and 6 will almost never be true.

Could lines 4 and 6 be If FD <> 0 and ?

robertogozzi

Moderator

Topics: 69

Replies: 17272

Been thanked: 4120 times

09/27/2021 at 4:07 PM #178580

Seems to work fine but you can use “round” if you like…
FD must be equal to zero because at this value there is a relative max. value or relative min. value.

2 users thanked author for this post.

Suzu Yuk,

robertogozzi

Participant

Topics: 27

Replies: 1807

Been thanked: 878 times

09/27/2021 at 5:33 PM #178588

robertogozzi

It works. Thank you 🙂

robertogozzi

Moderator

Topics: 69

Replies: 17272

Been thanked: 4120 times

09/28/2021 at 3:56 PM #178663

Suzu Yuk

Thank you very much, Rob and Js!! After using “” If FD <> 0 and “” I did it!! It is working.

I still have to clean up the code but here is the progress so far.

Defparam CalculateOnLastBars = 5000
// 
//AvgPeriod=14                       // opens & closes 1 day back
//pubs = ( Dclose(2) - Dopen(1) )    // yesterday close -> today open
//profs = ( Dopen(1) - Dclose(1) )   // today open -> today close
//pubsAvg = average[AvgPeriod](pubs)
//profsAvg = average[AvgPeriod](profs)
//return pubsAvg as "pub", profsAvg as "pros", 0 as "zero line"
fade1=10
fade2=100
fade3=200

dis1=1.5
dis2=2.5
dis3=3
dis4=4.5
dis5=5
plus1=1
atr = averagetruerange[10](close)*0.5
ABSProfessionalslope=ABS(slopePro)
a0=1
a1=5
a2=20
s0=20
s1=40

pub=open-close[1]
pro=close-open
Avepub=average[24](pub)
Avepro=average[24](pro)

////////////////profe slope //////////////////
sum3= (Avepro -Avepro [1])+(Avepro[1] -Avepro [2])+(Avepro[2] -Avepro [3])
slopePro =sum3/3
if slopePro > slopePro[1] then
PubSlope=1
DRAWTEXT("➚",barindex,dis1, Dialog, Standard, 20) COLOURED(255,0,0)
endif
//////////////publi slope  //////////////////
slopPub = (Avepub -Avepub [1])
if slopePro > slopePro[1] then
ProSlope=-1
DRAWTEXT("↘",barindex,-dis1, Dialog, Standard, 20) COLOURED(0,0,255)
endif
//////////////END  slope  //////////////////
a=25
pub1=ExponentialAverage(open)- ExponentialAverage (close)[1]
pro1=ExponentialAverage (close)- ExponentialAverage (open)
publi1=average[a](pub1)
profe1=average[a](pro1)

b=5
pub2=ExponentialAverage(open)- ExponentialAverage (close)[1]
pro2=ExponentialAverage (close)- ExponentialAverage (open)
publi2=average[b](pub2)*10
profe2=average[b](pro2)

////////////////profe 1D  //////////////////
FDpro=profe2-profe2[1]
if profe2 > profe2[1] then
DRAWTEXT("U",barindex,dis5, Dialog, Standard, 20) COLOURED(255,0,0)
ElsIf profe2 < profe2[1] then
ProDecend=-1
DRAWTEXT("Dp",barindex,dis4, Dialog, Standard, 20) COLOURED(0,0,225)
endif
//////////////profe 2D  //////////////////
SDpro=FDpro-FDpro[1]
if FDpro <> 0 and SDpro > 0 then
ProCon=-1
DRAWTEXT("Vp",barindex,dis2, Dialog, Standard, 20) COLOURED(255,0,0)
ElsIf FDpro <> 0 and SDpro < 0 then
DRAWTEXT("A",barindex,dis3, Dialog, Standard, 20) COLOURED(0,0,225)
EndIf
/////////////END  1D  2D  //////////////////

//////////////publi 1D  //////////////////
FD=publi2-publi2[1]
FD=publi2-publi2[1]
if publi2 > publi2[1] then
DRAWTEXT("U",barindex,-dis4, Dialog, Standard, 20) COLOURED(255,0,0)
ElsIf publi2 < publi2[1] then
DRAWTEXT("D",barindex,-dis5, Dialog, Standard, 20) COLOURED(0,0,225)
endif
//////////////publi 2D  //////////////////
SD=FD-FD[1]
if FD <> 0 and SD > 0 then
DRAWTEXT("V",barindex,-dis2, Dialog, Standard, 20) COLOURED(255,0,0)
ElsIf FD <> 0 and SD < 0 then
DRAWTEXT("A",barindex,-dis3, Dialog, Standard, 20) COLOURED(0,0,225)
EndIf
/////////////END  1D  2D  //////////////////

//////Condition////////////////
if ProDecend=-1 AND ProCon=-1 AND PubSlope=1 AND ProSlope=-1 then
DRAWTEXT("P",barindex,-6, Dialog, Standard, 20) COLOURED(0,0,225)  //DRAWARROWup(barindex,-6) COLOURED(0,0,255,fade2)
endif

DRAWHLINE (0) COLOURED (0, 0,0,100)
// rat=0.05*Avepub/Avepro
return Avepub*a0 as "Pub", Avepro*a0 as "Professional", publi1*40 COLOURED(0, 0, 255) as "Publi1", profe1*20 COLOURED(255, 0, 255) as "Profe1", publi2 COLOURED(0, 0, 255) as "Publi2", profe2*a1 COLOURED(255, 0, 255) as "Profe2", slopPub*s1 COLOURED(0, 0, 255) as "slopPub", slopePro*s0 COLOURED(255, 0, 0) as "slopeAvepro",ABSProfessionalslope*10+5 COLOURED(255, 0, 255) as "ABSproslop" //, rat as "ratio"  //COLOURED(255, 0, 0)  COLOURED(0, 255, 0),

100

Defparam CalculateOnLastBars = 5000

//AvgPeriod=14 // opens & closes 1 day back

//pubs = ( Dclose(2) - Dopen(1) ) // yesterday close -> today open

//profs = ( Dopen(1) - Dclose(1) ) // today open -> today close

//pubsAvg = average[AvgPeriod](pubs)

//profsAvg = average[AvgPeriod](profs)

//return pubsAvg as "pub", profsAvg as "pros", 0 as "zero line"

fade1=10

fade2=100

fade3=200

dis1=1.5

dis2=2.5

dis3=3

dis4=4.5

dis5=5

plus1=1

atr = averagetruerange[10](close)*0.5

ABSProfessionalslope=ABS(slopePro)

a0=1

a1=5

a2=20

s0=20

s1=40

pub=open-close[1]

pro=close-open

Avepub=average[24](pub)

Avepro=average[24](pro)

////////////////profe slope //////////////////

sum3= (Avepro -Avepro [1])+(Avepro[1] -Avepro [2])+(Avepro[2] -Avepro [3])

slopePro =sum3/3

if slopePro > slopePro[1] then

PubSlope=1

DRAWTEXT("➚",barindex,dis1, Dialog, Standard, 20) COLOURED(255,0,0)

endif

//////////////publi slope //////////////////

slopPub = (Avepub -Avepub [1])

if slopePro > slopePro[1] then

ProSlope=-1

DRAWTEXT("↘",barindex,-dis1, Dialog, Standard, 20) COLOURED(0,0,255)

endif

//////////////END slope //////////////////

a=25

pub1=ExponentialAverage(open)- ExponentialAverage (close)[1]

pro1=ExponentialAverage (close)- ExponentialAverage (open)

publi1=average[a](pub1)

profe1=average[a](pro1)

b=5

pub2=ExponentialAverage(open)- ExponentialAverage (close)[1]

pro2=ExponentialAverage (close)- ExponentialAverage (open)

publi2=average[b](pub2)*10

profe2=average[b](pro2)

////////////////profe 1D //////////////////

FDpro=profe2-profe2[1]

if profe2 > profe2[1] then

DRAWTEXT("U",barindex,dis5, Dialog, Standard, 20) COLOURED(255,0,0)

ElsIf profe2 < profe2[1] then

ProDecend=-1

DRAWTEXT("Dp",barindex,dis4, Dialog, Standard, 20) COLOURED(0,0,225)

endif

//////////////profe 2D //////////////////

SDpro=FDpro-FDpro[1]

if FDpro <> 0 and SDpro > 0 then

ProCon=-1

DRAWTEXT("Vp",barindex,dis2, Dialog, Standard, 20) COLOURED(255,0,0)

ElsIf FDpro <> 0 and SDpro < 0 then

DRAWTEXT("A",barindex,dis3, Dialog, Standard, 20) COLOURED(0,0,225)

EndIf

/////////////END 1D 2D //////////////////

//////////////publi 1D //////////////////

FD=publi2-publi2[1]

if publi2 > publi2[1] then

DRAWTEXT("U",barindex,-dis4, Dialog, Standard, 20) COLOURED(255,0,0)

ElsIf publi2 < publi2[1] then

DRAWTEXT("D",barindex,-dis5, Dialog, Standard, 20) COLOURED(0,0,225)

endif

//////////////publi 2D //////////////////

SD=FD-FD[1]

if FD <> 0 and SD > 0 then

DRAWTEXT("V",barindex,-dis2, Dialog, Standard, 20) COLOURED(255,0,0)

ElsIf FD <> 0 and SD < 0 then

DRAWTEXT("A",barindex,-dis3, Dialog, Standard, 20) COLOURED(0,0,225)

EndIf

/////////////END 1D 2D //////////////////

//////Condition////////////////

if ProDecend=-1 AND ProCon=-1 AND PubSlope=1 AND ProSlope=-1 then

DRAWTEXT("P",barindex,-6, Dialog, Standard, 20) COLOURED(0,0,225) //DRAWARROWup(barindex,-6) COLOURED(0,0,255,fade2)

endif

DRAWHLINE (0) COLOURED (0, 0,0,100)

// rat=0.05*Avepub/Avepro

return Avepub*a0 as "Pub", Avepro*a0 as "Professional", publi1*40 COLOURED(0, 0, 255) as "Publi1", profe1*20 COLOURED(255, 0, 255) as "Profe1", publi2 COLOURED(0, 0, 255) as "Publi2", profe2*a1 COLOURED(255, 0, 255) as "Profe2", slopPub*s1 COLOURED(0, 0, 255) as "slopPub", slopePro*s0 COLOURED(255, 0, 0) as "slopeAvepro",ABSProfessionalslope*10+5 COLOURED(255, 0, 255) as "ABSproslop" //, rat as "ratio" //COLOURED(255, 0, 0) COLOURED(0, 255, 0),

Regarding in the above code, ” if ProDecend=-1 AND ProCon=-1 AND PubSlope=1 AND ProSlope=-1 then ” attached picture

However, is it possible to have advice on how to call previously used if statement condition, please? ”

I do not want the “P” printed everywhere as attached picture…… I only want the P printed only if the above-mentioned 4 conditions are met.

Suzu Yuk

Participant

Topics: 4

Replies: 16

Been thanked: 2 times

09/28/2021 at 3:57 PM #178665

Suzu Yuk

Participant

Topics: 4

Replies: 16

Been thanked: 2 times

09/28/2021 at 5:13 PM #178668

Suzu Yuk wrote:

Thank you very much, Rob and Js!! After using “” If FD <> 0 and “” I did it!! It is working.

I hope you didn’t misunderstand but the first derivative must be equal to zero (FD = 0) otherwise you don’t have a maximum or minimum relative value.
When FD <> 0 than all other slopes, except zero, will be true (in practice 99% of the slopes are true when FD <> 0)

1 user thanked author for this post.

Suzu Yuk

Participant

Topics: 27

Replies: 1807

Been thanked: 878 times

09/28/2021 at 6:31 PM #178672

Suzu Yuk

Yes, you are right. I fixed it accordingly as you say.

//////////////profe 2D //////////////////
SDpro=FDpro-FDpro[1]
RoundFDpro = round(FDpro,1)
if RoundFDpro =0 and SDpro > 0 then
ProCon=-1
DRAWTEXT(“Vp”,barindex,dis2, Dialog, Standard, 20) COLOURED(255,0,0)
ElsIf RoundFDpro = 0and SDpro < 0 then
DRAWTEXT(“A”,barindex,dis3, Dialog, Standard, 20) COLOURED(0,0,225)
EndIf
/////////////END 1D 2D //////////////////

//////////////publi 1D //////////////////
FDpub=publi2-publi2[1]
if publi2 > publi2[1] then
DRAWTEXT(“U”,barindex,-dis4, Dialog, Standard, 20) COLOURED(255,0,0)
ElsIf publi2 < publi2[1] then
DRAWTEXT(“D”,barindex,-dis5, Dialog, Standard, 20) COLOURED(0,0,225)
endif
//////////////publi 2D //////////////////
SD=FDpub-FDpub[1]
RoundFDpub = round(FDpub,1)
if RoundFDpub= 0 and SD > 0 then
DRAWTEXT(“V”,barindex,-dis2, Dialog, Standard, 20) COLOURED(255,0,0)
ElsIf RoundFDpub= 0 and SD < 0 then
DRAWTEXT(“A”,barindex,-dis3, Dialog, Standard, 20) COLOURED(0,0,225)
EndIf
/////////////END 1D 2D //////////////////

1 user thanked author for this post.

Suzu Yuk

Participant

Topics: 4

Replies: 16

Been thanked: 2 times

09/12/2022 at 7:22 AM #200589

Khaled

Hi Suzu, I’m very interested in this concept. Thank you for sharing. Can you please explain how do you use it? Thanks

Khaled

Participant

Topics: 59

Replies: 314

Been thanked: 65 times

Author

Posts

Viewing 10 posts - 1 through 10 (of 10 total)

Find exclusive trading pro-tools on