Live Trading Success – Is any one actually making any money?
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08/19/2016 at 2:40 PM #1188508/19/2016 at 3:00 PM #11888
in this strategy close must be 2.5% under an adapted bollingerdown.
you don’t have those situation very often.
I don’t have this system live at the moment because it would be too much for me together with other live-systems.
08/19/2016 at 3:18 PM #1188909/09/2016 at 6:58 AM #12877Most of my profitable systems are taken from Prorealcode library + tweaking on DAX. So far the result is acceptable but too little as i limit the quantity for each system to minimum. I need more systems running together to reduce the risk. SL to me is very importantI realized that there is always 2 kind of good results:1. Very profitable since many years of data back BUT large draw down2. Profitable since 2016 with acceptable maximum losses BUT result is so so in 2015.Looking forward to see more & more good strategies in library~10/18/2016 at 8:57 PM #15140So far I find quite unreliable the platform, many times is ignoring my SL and the results are quite far from the ones from testing. I used 5 strategies on my live account and I decided to stop them.
Furthermore, I really believe that the back testing results are far far away from being real. And today I was able to “kill” the robot. Check out the attachment – the results of 2 days of trading, I must be some kind of genius… 🙂
10/19/2016 at 8:25 AM #15149@Leprechaun
This is something already largely discussed here on the website. Backtest engine has been upgraded in the new 10.3 version, I made a video about it: http://www.prorealcode.com/blog/video-tutorials/tick-tick-backtest-engine-probacktest/
Now, takeprofit are no more tested before stoploss with the tick/tick backtest.
11/15/2016 at 2:32 AM #16543Hi all,
I have found that whilst PRT excels at producing graphics and theoretical equity curves out of a set of rules, the live trading infrastructure is a novelty/gimmick. Not only is the system unable to read price action intra-candle, often times you will experience execution errors, slippage, rejected orders, unwanted orders, erroneous logic and various idiosyncratic behaviors. There is no built in order-retry logic and no way to validate whether an order has actually been placed until the whole top-down loop re-runs. The inability to execute on non-temporal candles is a huge issue if you are a serious algo developer. There’s also no way to make executions intra-candle (on the tick); no way to both long and short at the same time on the same market; no way to “spawn” and “kill” sub-strategies, no proper alerting infrastructure and the list goes on.
Whilst PRT remains a fantastic concept tool for the retail space it cannot be taken verbatim if you are actually aiming to make money in a serious way; especially in the lower resolutions where it falls over the most (and where most money is made by algos). I do use PRT for quick and dirty concept ideas but the actual live trading is done on a propitiatory infrastructure which solves all of the aforementioned shortcomings. My advice would be to stick to extremely simple logic, higher time-frames and low position sizes if using PRT to deploy your real-world strategy.
11/15/2016 at 9:55 AM #16553Maz I agree with all your points. My IG Demo account has strategies that have been stopped all of sudden and then I have to restart them. I understand that it’s a test environment but it should be better. I would like to run some sytsems on 1 sec time frame but from what I see the environment is not setup for it.
I’m still waiting to hear back from IG Markets to see if they will refund my losses on a system that made an incorrect entry due to a platform error and not a coding error.
The silence from IG Markets and continued insistence to blame me is highly disappointing. So even if you make some good systems you’re stuck with the 1 broker that is a market maker and from what I have experienced they don’t really want to support retail traders.
11/15/2016 at 10:41 AM #1655911/24/2016 at 3:02 AM #1705712/16/2016 at 9:16 PM #18691It’s been a few months since I last posted in this thread. My live results were sort of break-even before, but over the last months they have been very good. This is mostly me learning what makes a bad system, and avoiding those to drag me down. I am earning more from my systems than my real job. This could be due to market conditions and luck, but I will see what happens after another 200 trades.
I trade one (1) momentum system adapted for different timeframes (10m, 15m, 30m) and instruments (DAX, Gold, Oil). For reference, this is the only system I have created or seen that I trust to run live at the moment, but I am trying to diversify more soon. I have put 100+ systems to the test and put something like 300 hours into system development so far. So it has certainly not been easy, but it continues to be a fun challenge. Some lessons: demo-trade your first few months, lower risk to the point where you don’t feel an urge to interfere with system positions, optimize how you want but make sure it works out of sample, trade only instruments with low spread, combine several systems/edges, don’t trust a backtest with less than 200-400 trades.
01/30/2017 at 8:38 PM #2314901/30/2017 at 9:58 PM #23165I did cancel my subscription to prorealtime. When the IG will upgrade to the latest version I will renew it and I will have access to my robots again. However, the robot results were those because of some bugs of the platform, it’s not reliable for live trading.
02/04/2017 at 6:59 PM #23931Nope…Actually one big goal is not to lose some 😉
Working on a very simple trading strategy for the time being…On live only (back testing is NOT the reality, optimizing neither etc…), since last week, UT less than 10 mn (that is the ONLY way to make money), 1 contract / 25EUR each…Stop loss mandatory (3 pts = 75EUR ouch ;)), profit target too, trailing stops to limit the losses. Oh, don’t forget the fees and comissions and spreads…It has a huge impact on the results…
I will keep you posted later…a week or two. Thx.
03/14/2017 at 5:51 PM #28553which software did you test it with PRT is TOO LIMITED – thanks
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