New margin requirements :-O

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  • #66945

    you don’t need to prove experience with CFD, you need a professional experience in the underlyings you trade. Assets management is nice, but justifying an experience in risk management is ok also. I don’t know about cross check, but I have my own opinion on it…

    Verdi, in Belgium, as far as I know, marketing CFD is forbidden, but you are still free to open an account by yourself at a foreign broker.

    #67167

    One thing IG does that especially with the new margin requirements is a little bit annoying is that they already require margin for pending orders. This is something not all brokers do. Would be a nice move from IG to stop doing this when the new rules apply.

    #67168

    Reality or confinement are different things.

    #77071
    Leo

    641€ for trade mini contracts of 1 € in DAX mini !!!

     

    Incredible !!!

    #77073

    …and having kicked you in the left one they then kick you in the right one just for good measure:

    New ESMA requirements require us to automatically close your positions when your cash, including running profit and loss, drops below 50% of your margin requirement. This represents a significant change to how your account operates and it is important that you understand how your account will function.

    If you have existing positions and are running losses on your account, you will be at risk of closure if you do not have sufficient funds on the account to cover your full margin requirement. We will be making this change from 1pm on Monday 30 July.

    #77075

    It seems that IG at least are expecting many to just switch to somewhere outside of the stupid new regulation area and even sent me an email regarding this with a link to this page where you can get more info and compare the different countries products:

    https://www.ig.com/uk/compare-our-leveraged-trading?CHID=3&QPID=22380&tid=afa72f2fd4a438abe9c0f09f713fa6bf

    For me the only possible downside would be the tax implications of not using tax free UK spread betting and the fact that as a new account they will probably put us straight on to limited risk accounts which in my mind are useless for serious trading.

    #77110

    Hi ,

    this morning I discovered the new (crazy) margins and immediately I filled the form to become professional with my broker (IG Italy)

    Few minutes ago I got an email from their UK office asking me a screenshot of my bank account to proof that I’ve more than 500k euro.

    So, it seems to be a serious problem that cant’ be just skipped by declaring lies.

    Anyone has a suggestion ??!!

     

    Thanks

     

     

    #77111

    Well… 500k or… Esma rules!

    The only places with serious regulations outside UE not complying with Esma regulations seem to be NZ and AUS, but I fear they will not open accounts for foreigners and, if they do, UE might soon make it illegal!

    I’m afraid there’s no workaround, unless you become resident outside UE.

    #77112

    New ESMA requirements require us to automatically close your positions when your cash, including running profit and loss, drops below 50% of your margin requirement.

    Just so I’m sure I’m understanding the full horror of this change, are they saying that if your “available” balance in your IG account falls below 50% of your margin requirement, they will close all your positions?

    #77113

    From an email sent by IG:

    Further to our previous email, please remember that new margin close-out rules will be applied to your account from 1pm (UK time) on Monday 30 July. This is a result of new ESMA requirements coming into effect on 2 August 2018.

    How will my account be affected?

    You currently have a limited-risk account, which does not have any automatic margin close-out feature.

    However, new ESMA requirements require us to automatically close your positions when your cash, including running profit and loss, drops below 50% of your margin requirement. This represents a significant change to how your account operates and it is important that you understand how your account will function.

    How does this work in practice?

    Imagine you have £1200 cash on your account. You place a FTSE trade with a guaranteed stop, which requires margin of £1000. If you run a loss of £700 on the position, your account equity would become £500. This reaches 50% of your margin requirement, and therefore triggers position closure under the new close-out rules.

    For more information on how your margin policy will work, please see our website or contact our helpdesk.

    If you have existing positions and are running losses on your account, you will be at risk of closure if you do not have sufficient funds on the account to cover your full margin requirement. We will be making this change from 1pm on Monday 30 July.

    For long spread bets on options where you have paid the option premium in full upfront, the margin requirement equates to the premium paid. The margin and profit/loss on these positions will therefore not be included in the deposit ratio calculation. These positions are still at risk of closure if other positions cause losses greater than the equity on your account. Please note that from 3pm (UK time) on Friday 27 July we will longer offer CFDs on options to retail clients.

    #77114

    So it’s bad – but not as bad as I was thinking. Thanks for the info, Vonasi.

    Presumably many of the people on these forums who run dozens of strategies in demo will have to shut many of them down. Seems really silly.

    Surely IG should increase the demo account size to a more appropriate default size? £10,000 isn’t going to be enough anymore

    #77115

    Switzerland would seem the most obvious place to open a new account but if they put us on limited risk account as ‘new’ customers then that is a big negative in my mind plus the tax implications for UK nationals is a big negative.

    The only other option is a big starting balance and don’t lose very much or have big draw downs.

    It seems to me that the ESMA just want the big boys to spread bet and the unwashed masses should just go back to their day jobs and stop trying to play in the big boys playground or have too much fun trying to play there.

    It is what is known as a nanny state. I prefer Darwin’s theory where the stupid would lose all their money and the intelligent who understand the game would survive and profit – but apparently we all need protecting as if we were all stupid.

    #77116

    Surely IG should increase the demo account size to a more appropriate default size? £10,000 isn’t going to be enough anymore

    You can make it as big as you like. If only it was as easy in the real world.

    As for ‘seems really silly’ – that was pointed out by all the big brokers to the ESMA and in thousands of communications to the ESMA by traders but they chose to ignore all the evidence and thoughts of experienced people.

    #77117

    How about this: we all pool our money, open one enormous IG account, and just trade the group’s top 10 proven profitable strategies.

    We all take a % of the profits based on our contribution to the pool.

    Obviously, the creators of the strategies would get a little extra – as would I, for coming up with the idea.

    Any takers?…….hello?

     

    #77118

    How about this idea? You give me your money and I add it to mine and trade it and if I win I give you half. I’m very honest so you can be sure that I will tell you about every winning trade.

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