Ok, I’m ready to buy at the Marketplace, please help me

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  • This topic has 97 replies, 11 voices, and was last updated 1 year ago by avatarGraHal.
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  • #180308

    they always are larger and go against you!

    Above is better than making us think our Systems are better than they really are?

    not always for the best limits and stops.

    I agree. When I see a long term backtested System on, for example, the 5 min TF, and trades are open for the majority of the day or even many days … my conclusion, generally, is that the System is not trading the 5 min TF.

    Rather, that the System has been optimised to catch large TP Limits many hours and many many 5 min price cycles after trade entry.  Conditions that very well may not occur, or occur rarely, in Real Live running?

    #180309
    JS

    @GraHal What does the time frame have to do with how long trades are open?

    As you describe it, short-term trades belong to a short time frame and long-running trades to a longer time frame. Why?

    In my trend-following system, which can keep positions open for months, I use a time frame of 5 or 10 minutes. The time frame says nothing about the period you look back, you can just set this period yourself: n x TF5

    Why do I use a time frame of 5 or 10 minutes?
    Because the more data (samples) the better.

    #180320

    The time frame says nothing about the period you look back,

    Well, it says everything about the period you can look back.

     

     

    I agree. When I see a long term backtested System on, for example, the 5 min TF, and trades are open for the majority of the day or even many days … my conclusion, generally, is that the System is not trading the 5 min TF.

    That seems obvious to me, but possibly I don’t understand what you mean to say. Anyway :
    When I make s system for a 1s TF it is totally obvious that I can’t even use a 2s BackTest ion it. Let alone 5 minutes. This seems the other way around from what you are saying, but that is obvious just the same (I think). Trading at the broker works in real time, which can be boiled down to “per tick”. If you have a 1H TF which your strategy acts upon, it works on that one tick-change at the full hour (each full hour); all in between, the strategy can’t act upon. Additionally, if you made the strategy to work per the full hour, you really can’t expect that it works even remotely the same when run live and than per 1 second.
    Maybe it depends on how the details in your code are, but mine is full of anticipation of the most real time possible (1 second). This is why it can’t work with another TF. The clear downside : I can’t backtest for more than 1 month (1M seconds of live-market data).

    #180323
    JS

    Yes, your bound to the maximum of 10.000 bars in PRT.
    (10.000 x 10 min = 100.000 min = 1666 hours = 70 days look back)

    #180325

    If you have a system on 5/10 min and keep the positions open for months i would say the strategy is out its elements, it is impossible to predict such a big move on such low tf.

     

    Sure it might work. But its just a like a blind man throwing dart.

    #180328
    smp

    I would tend to agree with the last two…unless

    If your strategy is to enter on short timeframes and then stack multiple trades to compound points, take progressive profits and increase risk-free leverage then I am all for this…I do this often!

    Having said all I would not expect 5 min strategy to run longer than say 2 weeks before being stopped.  The two expects would, of course, be the DOW and S&P markets.

    Holding for long periods can be costly in fees also which can put a dent longer frame trades

    I like the blind man throwing a dart analogy – sometimes it does hit the target and the bull but pretty rare 😂😂

    #180334
    JS

    @snucke Please tell me on what time frame it is possible?

    #180336

    I like the blind man throwing a dart analogy – sometimes it does hit the target and the bull but pretty rare 😂😂

    You won’t get one-hundred-and-eightyyyy with the bull anyway.
    Not with a bear either.

    #180337

    The timeframe that suits the holding time.

     

    your entry on the 5 min TF after a few hours have nothing at all how to do with how the markets are moving past that (even earlier).

     

    your edge is trying to predict the next candle and the one after that. not 50 candles past your entry.

     

    #180338
    JS

    Backtest Dow Jones and S&P500 from april 2006 on a 10 minute timeframe.

    #180341

    Having said all I would not expect 5 min strategy to run longer than say 2 weeks before being stopped.

    Steve, may I ask, “being” ? By what or who o you mean ?
    Also, what would be the difference with a bot (strategy) not being stopped and a equity or even future being held for a longer period of time ? Thus :

     

    Holding for long periods can be costly in fees

    You mean as in : More than a month is extra-expensive ? … nah … So I’d like to understand what you are referring to (never too old to learn).

    #180342

    i never said its impossible.

     

    but i would say that your entry on the 10 min TF has no edge at all

    #180343
    JS

    @snucke The timeframe has nothing to do with the holding time, it is the looking back period that determinate the holding time.
    Looking back minutes then holding time probably hours
    Looking back hours then holding time probably days
    Looking back days then holding time probably months
    Etc.

    #180345
    JS

    @snucke “no edge at all?” if you can read the backtest than you see that the edge is >=4

    #180346

    i disagree, ok?

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