Pathfinder Trading System
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03/27/2018 at 9:00 PM #66588
You need to remember that we already had a big correction in 2015, bigger than the current one (30% down from the top in DAX), and the pathfinder backtest performed well (i.e., was well optimized) for this period.
Isn’t above the point though? If we optimise over a big correction period then the System looks great as the optimiser works out variable values that give us a good profit over that big correction period (I haven’t seen the equity curve). Moving forward with that System through another similar non-optimised correction period (similar but not the same!) then trades may not perform anywhere near as good and so losses mount??
We always need to be aware that it it possible to develop and to optimize a trading system for a price curve that has been generated by tossing a coin. Heads up means price moves up by one unit, tails up means price moves down one unit. In such a price curve we will find trends, trendless phases, and many more characteristics we know.
Of course, even when we develop a sucessful backtest for such a price curve, it will never make any money in the future, because price movements are totally random and will continue to be generated by tossing the coin.
So, in my eyes, the question is : Are we able to find an instrument that statistically shows more trend behavior than can only be described by random price movements ? And can these trends be captured with indicators in the past as well as replicated in the future ?
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03/27/2018 at 9:26 PM #66591So, in my eyes, the question is : Are we able to find an instrument that statistically shows more trend behavior than can only be described by random price movements ? And can these trends be captured with indicators in the past as well as replicated in the future ?
….and then we have to ask ourselves that once we have chosen a suitable instrument to trade whether throwing lots of indicators at the problem with lots of variables will give us the solution or just present us with an ideal example of the absolute best way that we should have traded what just happened?
If one indicator with one or two variables has proven historically profitable then there is a far greater probability that it will do so into the future rather than 1000 indicators with 1000 variables.
In my mind everyone needs to concentrate on taking indicators and variables away to improve a strategy rather than adding them on to try to improve it.
03/27/2018 at 9:30 PM #66592Well – @nicolas – and as you already suggested, Vonasi, how about the possibility to delete posts or at least to be able to modify them for a longer period than just 5 minutes ?
In the past I have found Nicolas very helpful for deleting or editing if you contact him via the Help/Contact Us via the top bar. This might be a cleaner solution than reporting your own posts!
Hopefully Nicolas does not mind me suggesting this.
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03/28/2018 at 8:25 AM #66601how about the possibility to delete posts or at least to be able to modify them for a longer period than just 5 minutes ?
5 minutes is sufficient to delete a post sent by mistake (in most cases 🙂 )
03/28/2018 at 11:26 AM #6662203/28/2018 at 12:15 PM #66623If it were me I would make an assessment of the HS market structure and if I was trading the ‘wrong way’ and / or against the current strong sell on the 5 Hour chart (click on link) then I would exit the trade?
https://www.investing.com/indices/hong-kong-40-futures-technical
Just a few thoughts, but a bit confusing as you don’t say whether the open position you have is Long or Short?? And of course none of this can be construed as Investment Advice (as they say! 🙂 )
GraHal
03/28/2018 at 12:27 PM #66624thank you graal, I had an open position in purchase, automated. but I also wanted to know if others have been given the same thing. and it would be understandable why in the backtest a position has been opened while in real time no.
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03/28/2018 at 3:11 PM #6663003/28/2018 at 5:35 PM #6663303/28/2018 at 9:17 PM #6663903/29/2018 at 9:53 AM #66665I share Verdi’s opinion, so I am pretty pessimistic for automatic trading (but I am still here so I still believe it is possible!). Just make the test: if you open most of the codes published here a few months ago, or one year ago, when you backtest you see immediatly the moment it as been done: when the curve stops his progression, to loose or stay pretty flat. Though all the backtests showed an ascendant curve. It would be a great job to list, one year after, the codes that have been posted here and that stay in gain with a good curve. Because real market is the only reliable test and we have now a sufficient hindsight. I might create a post for that, but I have to start the job before.
03/29/2018 at 12:10 PM #66681@Aloysius I agree 100% and have done similar test as you on old Systems on here.
I have thought often about starting just such a post / Topic as it would so useful to everybody, but I kinda didn’t want to discourage enthusiastic coders?
But I agree the time has come, let’s do it? What did you mean when you said … but I have to start the job before.
You start the post / Topic and I will add one of my google sheets as an easily accessible link database to the Systems tested ??
03/29/2018 at 12:38 PM #66686Writing codes and testing them is a very good educational tool so even if you never write a winning strategy it is worth sticking with. By trying different things we get to see what works better. We can quickly get a feeling for how tight stops can kill a strategy and whether some markets are good for trending or better for mean reversion. We can work out whether longer time frames are better than shorter time frames for our type of trading. The actual strategies coded may be failures but they all teach us something that makes our trading better even if we only ever manually trade. Slowly slowly we become better traders than we would by just staring at a chart everyday and watching the candles go up and down.
Analyse, extract information from the results, memorise the information discovered, use it later!
03/29/2018 at 12:45 PM #66687me too We spoke about bad days unfortunately they continue with potential losses on Wall, Dax…. 🙁
Well… jeah!
Dax closed 2 (different) Positions with a small win (esp. when you include the rollover costs)…
Dow (and ftse) are at the moment… ugh!
“my” Dow (last 17 trades): 52,94% winning trades – G/V-Ratio: 0,23.
“my” ftse (last 15 trades): 46,76 % and 0,18(!)
Waiting for the better days 😉
03/29/2018 at 1:05 PM #6669014:oo Dax Long opened at 12042,9… anyone else?
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