ProRealCode MarketPlace: sell your trading products to thousands of ProRealTime users!

• 08/14/2021 at 10:24 AM #175300
  Paolo.B

  Johnsteed wrote:

  I think the best is that a marketplace sets strong requirements for sellers to publish only products with a proven life trade history, and that publishing that history is mandatory. This has nothing to do with interfering with sellers freedom to chose what other information is published. Any marketplace sets rules about content to share, so why not to enforce life trading results?

  I agree with you, there is no legal impediment but only a MarketPlace regulation that establishes specific rules to be able to publish a product.

  Johnsteed wrote:

  I’m ready to spend money to buy strategy products. I have scanned the market a few days ago again which has now 52 trade strategies (if I looked correctly). The market place doesn’t help sorting products due to different criteria – like the most rated ones, the most recent published ones, the most often sold ones, etc. OK, 52 products can be looked one by one still (but not hundreds later on …).

  In reality, in the MarkePlace there are professional sellers who publish the Live in evidence for many months, you have to know how to look and choose, above I had already answered this way: “I will always stay with my idea, anyone who has the LIVE to show puts it in full view the backtests would not be to be watched, then everyone is free to throw their money wherever they want there are those who go to play them at roulette or poker and those who play in Backtest, prorealcode forum already has this function.

  Dow Jones wrote:

  1/ About the point where the bad review of a product doesn’t stay with vendor, could you not add a feature to tide it with vendor? Otherwise, like others says, once the bad product is removed, then the vendor is good to go again and he/she can modify a little bit, publish again another (or same) over-optimize product, grab some money, remove it again once bad review, and repeat the same again and again. I think this is unfair to the good vendor that made a lot of effort to develop, use their real money to trade live for months to years to see real result.

  Leo wrote:

  I didn’t find the commissions (or fees) of MarketPlace is taken form selling products in MarketPlace (I read the Term&Conditions and also find it there, how much are the commissions of MarketPlace ?

  The marketplace fee is 20% (VAT excluded) for each sale, there is no other fee.

  This is the answer to all our questions, is it better to have hundreds of sales or just dozens of sales with professional suppliers showing Live.

  PeterSt wrote:

  I’d say that those sales should have sprung from the information gathered in this thread/topic. Aren’t there even one or two people who are willing to share in this thread their thoughts about their purchases ? So everybody is nagging (me too – haha), but nobody helps out.

  Corto78 wrote:

  I do not write often on the forum but here I would like to sound the alarm and prevent someone from throwing their money out the window.
  I am not saying that all auto trading systems are bad, I have subscribed two of them myself which I will tell you about once the period of a few months has passed.

  Corto78 not having expressed negative opinions most likely has two algorithms that work well, those who lose money immediately say it dictated by anger, those who earn normally want to wait several months to be sure, we would like to know how they go.
  Thank you

  Johnsteed wrote:

  In this situation, my hope is that the announced product trial period to come allows to gain a better insight into what a product indeed does; first in own backtesting to see the past, and then hopefully in a short demo trade period being able to see what can be expected at today’s trade days.

  This initiative is excellent, but however an Algorithm that works positive every month is impossible to exist (In LIVE), so if during the test month quadagni is an exceptional algorithm, if you lose it is a disaster.
  The only one is to watch and only watch the LIVE that is published.
  Then, as I have already said, there are those who play roulette and those who play with backtests.

   

  

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  08/14/2021 at 11:43 AM #175310
  GraHal

  Paolo.B wrote:

  sellers who publish the Live in evidence for many months, you have to know how to look and choose, above I had already answered this way

  So I’m still in the dark … how do we easily find Live results?

  Preferably by some sort function, not laboriously slogging through each Algo one by one and catching the revolving screen shots to take a single stationary screen shot, then zooming in to check in the top left hand corner if results are backtest or ProOrder??

  Or have I been doing it all wrong … more coffee needed?? 🙂

  

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  08/14/2021 at 12:26 PM #175315
  PeterSt

  GraHal wrote:

  Or have I been doing it all wrong … more coffee needed?? 🙂

  More beers man, more beers.

  GraHal wrote:

  So I’m still in the dark … how do we easily find Live results? Preferably by some sort function, not laboriously slogging through each Algo one by one

  You made me think of this idea :
  You, me, anyone who feels like it and who especially has the “more” experience with AutoTrading, could apply for a demo of the algo of concern (in the end all of them) and just review it. Oh, I have fun on the thought alone;
  The seller has a kind of one chance only, because a review is a review and if it is negative then bad luck (for always for that algo).

  The reviewer puts all in the commonly known important perspectives and he/she actually may try to crash the algo because of bad luck etc., you losing all your money because of a too deep SL. Forward Trading with the worst possible trades. LOL. Normally I would be counting the green – now the red.

  Of course reviewers can sell their services at the Market Place. An extensive review of one product for 500 euros. The review is public, so everybody profits (hopefully the seller too). The one paying the 500 euros, knows that he trades off huge losses for 500 euros. Or … that he knows that the 250 the algo cost will bring him/her infinite money.

  Of course I am making fun. But it *is* a kind of idea. Personally I would go as far as investing real money in real live** (thus forward) testing. Maybe that would need more than the 500 this service costs, but maybe more contributors could stack that $ for the reviewer.

  **): I am serious about that.

  Of course Nicolas would need to provide a new kind of service (more people pay to one seller for one product), but he does not care because each time he earns 20% again.

  

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  08/14/2021 at 12:28 PM #175316
  juanj

  I think @Nicolas has done a great job with the marketplace. However having the option of filtering based on latest ‘updates’ would be nice as this would allow buyers to see the products where sellers have updated the latest live results. For example I have literally just posted the latest live results in the product gallery showing my strategy performs exactly as expected, but there is no way that buyers looking for live traded strategies would be able to quickly see this update: High Probability Reversal Strat – ProRealCode Market

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  08/14/2021 at 12:47 PM #175319
  Mauro T. “Algorithm System”

  I personally have all the Algorithms in the store in Live working for many months ….. I think how rightly you ask that they be well displayed in the Store.
  This is an example of one of my Algorithms
  https://market.prorealcode.com/product/us500-2h-swing-trend-long-11/

  This is another example:
  https://market.prorealcode.com/product/dow-jones-2h-breakout-trend-only-long/

  These are the Algorithms that I have on Dow Jones and US500 in my portfolio ……. some already in the store, others that will be released soon.

  Hello
  Mauro

  

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  08/14/2021 at 12:50 PM #175323
  Paolo.B

  GraHal wrote:

  Paolo.B wrote:

  sellers who publish the Live in evidence for many months, you have to know how to look and choose, above I had already answered this way

  So I’m still in the dark … how do we easily find Live results?

  Preferably by some sort function, not laboriously slogging through each Algo one by one and catching the revolving screen shots to take a single stationary screen shot, then zooming in to check in the top left hand corner if results are backtest or ProOrder??

  Or have I been doing it all wrong … more coffee needed?? 🙂

  It takes a little patience you have to look in the store one at a time, but at least exclude those who do not show anything.

  

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  08/14/2021 at 1:06 PM #175327
  Corto78

  PeterSt wrote:

  Nicolas wrote:

  Marketplace was launched by the end of May, and it is a real success, there were hundreds of sales in 2 months.

  I’d say that those sales should have sprung from the information gathered in this thread/topic. Aren’t there even one or two people who are willing to share in this thread their thoughts about their purchases ? So everybody is nagging (me too – haha), but nobody helps out.

  Hundreds is quite a lot. This wasn’t about buying tutorials etc. ?

  Whether, me, look at my message of 8/8 at 10:33 AM 😉

  

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  08/14/2021 at 4:14 PM #175346
  Dow Jones

  PeterSt wrote:

  So everybody is nagging (me too – haha), but nobody helps out.

  I think this is what we are all doing now…helping to share feedback for it to be better and more success. But after, feedback is just a feedback, they can be taken or ignored too 😉

  

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  08/14/2021 at 11:02 PM #175369
  Leo

  I don’t want to be the troll here but…

  An strategy X, is losing its potential with time. If there is a way to win money in this field is not with an Automatic-Trading-Strategy, it is with an Automatic way to generate Automatic-Trading-Strategies.

  In other words: If someone is selling you a trading robot, show you the back test, show you the walk forward, show you the testing in paper-trading and finally show you all the profits in live trading…. well, maybe is too late for you and nothing ensure you that the robot will perform as good as it has been so far…

  Therefore the good old frase: past performance do not guarantee future returns.

   

  

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  08/15/2021 at 9:17 AM #175379
  Nicolas

  Corto78 wrote:

  Aren’t there even one or two people who are willing to share in this thread their thoughts about their purchases ?

  Thousands of people are browsing ProRealCode everyday and only a few are sharing or helping. About reviews, I have a project in the pipe to send an automatic reminder for buyers to put a review on the products they have purchased.

  Leo wrote:

  In other words: If someone is selling you a trading robot, show you the back test, show you the walk forward, show you the testing in paper-trading and finally show you all the profits in live trading…. well, maybe is too late for you and nothing ensure you that the robot will perform as good as it has been so far…

  This is what I explained a lot of times in some other threads in the forums. If you spend your time waiting for the opportunity of the century, the one that will assure you of significant and risk-free annuity gains, then you will never take the plunge. Happiness is now, if I may say so, not tomorrow, you have to seize the opportunities that present themselves. Of course, the way the product sheets are written may not be to your liking, in which case, ask the sellers for more details to give you an idea of who they are, how serious their product is and how it has been developed.
  A marketplace can’t do it for you, I test their technical validity and if the seller uses his own strategy, that is to say that he is already taking the necessary risks to validate that the product works properly, if you take a loss, so does the seller.

  I know that for you it may seem easy to allow anyone to come and sell their products so that hypothetically the marketplace can take its commissions. It’s not the case, I’ve been working on this project alone for 2 years, it represents thousands of hours of work and heavy sacrifices on my health and my social life, I’m happy today that it’s completed and that it works perfectly, I’m a programmer and this is the greatest satisfaction I get from it.
  Yes, there is still room for improvement and I am working on it, I take all the public and private feedback, and some of it has allowed me to produce new features to make things simpler and more user friendly.
  To be honest, I didn’t think trading strategies would be such a hit with users, it’s the type of product that gets the most acclaim, for this reason, and to allow everyone to get an idea before buying, I’m developing the trial feature to test a product, I hope to roll this out during the week.

  For strategy tracking, a filter on recently updated products will be added (good idea in this topic, thanks to its author), I have to think of a better way to filter the ever increasing number of products while remaining ‘simple’, and it’s not that simple 😆

  On the longer term, I have in mind an extension of the prorealcode site to allow you to attach your live ProOrder performances so that they are publicly visible. This requires devs on the PRT side, it’s not going to happen right away, but it seems to me that this is THE ONLY solution to end all debates.

   

   

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  08/15/2021 at 11:52 AM #175382
  juanj

  As per the recommendation of Nicolas I have created a thread where I will post monthly updates on my High Probability Reversal Strat listed on the Marketplace. The thread can be found here: Live performance updates for PRC Marketplace strategy: High Probability Reversal : Forum General trading discussions – ProRealTime (prorealcode.com)

  

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  08/15/2021 at 12:29 PM #175385
  Nicolas

  @juanj

  I have no problem with that, each vendor can do the same. Since the beginning of PRC, advertisement of products for ProRealTime is allowed.

  A forum topic is also a good solution to explain what a specific product is all about and the discussions / debates are public, I hope people will appreciate your work Juanj.

  

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  08/15/2021 at 3:45 PM #175395
  Nicolas

  List of automated trading strategies sorted by modified date: https://market.prorealcode.com/product-category/automated-trading/?orderby=modified_date

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  08/16/2021 at 9:18 AM #175434
  Mauro T. “Algorithm System”

  I gladly accept Nicolas’s proposal, here you will find all the “LIVE” updates of my Algorithms that I have in the store.

  https://www.prorealcode.com/topic/marketplace-real-time-updates-us500-2h-swing-trend-long-11/

  

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  08/17/2021 at 1:15 PM #175542
  Nicolas

  The wait is over! 🙂 Sellers can now offer trial versions via their product pages. They have all been alerted to this possibility and some trials are already available:

  https://market.prorealcode.com/product/graphic-patterns-scanner-v11/
  https://market.prorealcode.com/product/hq-renko/
  https://market.prorealcode.com/product/advanced-vp-pack-lifetime-licenses-daily-sessions-composite-and-custom-ranges-volume-profiles/

  In order to request a trial, visite a product page, click on the “Free Trial” and follow the procedure.

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