Is there anyone out there who can say they make money with automated trading?

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  • #48367

    Not all strategies makes money all the time. You still need to keep an eye on it!
    Mostly they do make money yes. They make as much money as you willing to put effort in to.

    As mentioned before run it on demo account for at least a month.

    Export the results from backtesting to a spreadsheet and note which days have most losses and or between which hours.
    Depending on the strategy the DAX might lose money on Thursdays and FTSE on Fridays or EUR/USD on Tuesdays. On another strategy you might need to disable trading between 20:00 and 9:00. Another strategy might run well day and night 5 days a week. These mentioned are just examples what to look out for (not stating as fact the DAX has poor performance on Thursdays etc).

    Good practise is to export the results from the strategy you run on Demo every week and analyse when what happened in the market. Note the market pattern VS your strategy. The market leaves clues.
    Run backtest and WFA again every 2 weeks or so even if you have it live.

    Autotrading is not the “holy grail”. It’s not case of write code once and let it run and you go sit on the beach and come back rich. No. It still takes work and dedication. The market might still turn against your strategy and you might lose money 12 trades in a row.
    As with manual trading you have to hedge yourself. Have multiple strategies that “covers” each other if the market moves against you on one strategy.

    There are many factors to take in to consideration hence the word STRATEGY.

     

    #48419

    Andre: Considering how much time I’ve spent learning this and still don’t know shit I understand what you mean…. 😉

    #48428

    hehe! Welcome here! 🙂
    I think most of us here have been where you are and more…  Then until one day it all comes together.!
    Money, phsically and electronically are not manufactured or made in one go. It takes a process.

     

    #48435

    The hard thing is to make profit cosistently over a long time in uptrends,downtrends and sideways chop

    of course  trading many different systems in a portfolio is always better but needs bigger account

    the worst thing one can do is to start trading small with only one system and then after a “lucky” period size up (thinking easy money) just before the drawdown kicks in, and then stop and try another system thats shows a big profit and start that one just before the drawdown kicks in

    #48436

    Diversification actually decreases the amount of capital you need. Like I wrote above I started with less than 2K euro but becauseI believed in diversification i started directly with 15 strategies simultaneously and well it works for me. When one strategy is losing another is winning…

    #48438

    Despair: Sounds smart to me! 15 completely different strategies or a few on several indices? 🙂 I suppose it’s good to vary them both.

    #48448

    I ran back then only one strategy on the Dax and all others were on different currency pairs.

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    #48453

    Go through the strategies in the strategy library on-by-one. There are some good one’s there written by people who really knows their stuff!

    For the ones you find interesting – you will have to backtest & WFA on different time frames with the correct parameters, spread and capital.
    See which one’s works for you.
    Do backtesting on live account. Deploy for testing period on Demo account for about month.
    This might take weeks.

    Dont just copy&paste (the internet made us lazy – we all just want to copy&paste). Actually read the code and try understand it.
    This way you will learn the software and and how the market behaves etc.

    Even if you can code well or may be not then this is a good learning curve. Just by knowing the potential of PRT already helps a lot.

     

    #48455

    …and it doesn’t have to be complicated. The dax strategy was the my very first strategy i programmed from scratch in my first 2 weeks with PRT (before I started trading automated I was daytrading Dax, oil and gold and so it felt natural too simply try to code what I had been doing manually before). I run this strategy still and it is one of my most robust strategies. Of course if I now look at the code it looks clumsy and I probably could do it now with much shorter (and faster) code but that doesn’t matter. It works…

    #52464

    Hi all, very useful information is being shared here, I recently started creating automated strategies in PRT, I have created 3 on my won that seem to be profitable (when backtested) see attachments, in your experience, when you see numbers like that, do they actually perform similarly in live trading?

    #52502
    Leo

    Pablo, me not. I trade real only with strategy with more than 75% of winning trade

    #52796

    @pablojml I don’t know how your strategy works but from your screen shoot I would guess that your stop loss distance is extremely fitted to the data you have tested on. I’m making this guess based on that your average losing trade and worst losing trade share the same or a very similar value.

    And please, don’t be fooled into believe that a high win rate is equal to a good system. A high win rate is in many cases (not always) given by a large stop loss distance. Because of this you should ask yourself if you are prepared to deal with a trade that goes against you for a long time just to achieve a high win rate? And even if you have a 75% win rate in your backtest you can still have periods with only 50% win rate. How will you react during this period of time? Google on how to evaluate trading systems and you will see that there more efficient/reliable ways to do this.

    #52818

    Thanks @victormork for your response, I am creating different type of strategies based on different type of indicators and by playing a bit I have found some like the above that seem to be very profitable, yesterday I created a new one that seems to behave good in up-down-side trends, see attachment 1, the initial couple of months went under for -20% and after that shoot up and never came down again, steady up since 2013.

    I tweaked one of the systems I posted before as it was very bad in down trends and now gave me less % of winning trades, but kept positive equity since 2013, only went under for around -10%, attachment 2.

    I guess I’ll have to test them to see if it does what it’s meant to.

    I was only checking to see what are the thoughts and implementation process of you guys when creating and starting with newly created auto-trading systems that seem to be profitable when backtested for over 3 years  🙂

    Thanks again!

    #52866

    WFA=> Monte Carlo => Demo account

    This is my routine if I think I have found something.

     

    #52867

    I’m with Leo I want to see higher % win rates than that with a win loss ratio of over 2.  The combination of low % win rate and low win loss ratio is most likely going to lead to some long losing runs IMO.

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