Discussing the strategy VECTORIAL DAX (M5)
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01/19/2021 at 5:51 PM #158538
Does nobody else think the premise of this strategy is flawed?
Having huge stoplosses just invalidates the strategy and more relies on luck.
01/19/2021 at 6:25 PM #158550premise of this strategy is flawed?
Nacho is showing several Vectorials with good profit and I have shown several also.
In my experience the Algos need regular re-optimisation … you will notice most of Nacho’s have been optimised since the March 2020 shakeout.
01/19/2021 at 6:32 PM #158552Having huge stoplosses just invalidates the strategy and more relies on luck.
yes! absolutely. Try to make it work on a small stoploss (related to timeframe) and trading only long or short.
And then still it’s curvefitted in the general direction of the market, which is often “up” and “long” is easier to program.
Having a strategy long & short, if the entry is bad but the conditions for a reversal take place, it cover ups the reasons for the bad entry and as results the strategy is already also more curvefitted I believe.
How much is the chance that if the same (bad) entry conditions happen, you will be saved again on a reversal entry?!
01/19/2021 at 7:20 PM #158557Nacho is showing several Vectorials with good profit
The version 10.2 has a long SL of 2.5% and a short SL of 0.5%. Optimised to oct20 i believe.
This is fine now since the market has been on a straight uptrend since april. When the markets turn, what do you optimise the stoploss against?
By the time optimised result show the need to increase you short SL you might have lost all your gains.
01/19/2021 at 7:43 PM #158560Grahal, you are absolutely right, I prefer version 10.1, it is the one I have in real with good results. It has happened that recently, I activated 10.2 with aggressive monetary management and it has taken a very good streak since the beginning of December for that reason so much profit, but the DD of 10.2 is higher than 10.1 and the backtests are not better.
01/19/2021 at 8:09 PM #158561Hi Tanou
I have attached the views of the most recent back-test as well as the equity curve. I will attach the modified strategy in my next post…
01/19/2021 at 8:12 PM #158564123456789101112131415161718192021222324252627282930313233343536373839404142434445464748495051525354555657585960616263646566676869707172737475767778798081828384858687888990919293949596979899100101102103104105106107108109110111112113114115116117///ROBOT VECTORIAL DAX (modified 1 minute)// M1// SPREAD 1.5// by BALMORA 74 - FEBRUARY 2019DEFPARAM CumulateOrders = falseDEFPARAM Preloadbars = 50000//VARIABLESCtimeA = time >= 060000 and time <= 180000CtimeB = time >= 060000 and time <= 180000ONCE BarLong = 950 //EXIT ZOMBIE TRADE LONGONCE BarShort = 650 //EXIT ZOMBIE TRADE SHORT// TAILLE DES POSITIONSONCE PositionSizeLong = 1ONCE PositionSizeShort = 1timeframe(1 hour,updateonclose)myRP = Repulse[5](close)bulltrend = myRP > 0beartrend = myRP < 0//STRATEGIE//VECTEUR = CALCUL DE L'ANGLEtimeframe(1 minute, default)ONCE PeriodeA = 10ONCE nbChandelierA= 15MMA = Exponentialaverage[PeriodeA](close)ADJASUROPPO = (MMA-MMA[nbchandelierA]*pipsize) / nbChandelierAANGLE = (ATAN(ADJASUROPPO)) //FONCTION ARC TANGENTECondBuy1 = ANGLE >= 45CondSell1 = ANGLE <= - 37//VECTEUR = CALCUL DE LA PENTE ET SA MOYENNE MOBILEONCE PeriodeB = 20ONCE nbChandelierB= 35lag = 5MMB = Exponentialaverage[PeriodeB](close)pente = (MMB-MMB[nbchandelierB]*pipsize) / nbchandelierBtrigger = Exponentialaverage[PeriodeB+lag](pente)CondBuy2 = (pente > trigger) AND (pente < 0)CondSell2 = (pente CROSSES UNDER trigger) AND (pente > -1)//ENTREES EN POSITIONCONDBUY = CondBuy1 and CondBuy2 and CTimeA and bulltrendCONDSELL = CondSell1 and CondSell2 and CtimeB and beartrend//POSITION LONGUEIF CONDBUY THENbuy PositionSizeLong contract at marketSET TARGET %PROFIT 1.5SET STOP LOSS AverageTrueRange[14](close[0])*25ENDIF//POSITION COURTEIF CONDSELL THENSellshort PositionSizeShort contract at marketSET TARGET %PROFIT 1.5SET STOP LOSS AverageTrueRange[14](close[0])*25ENDIF//VARIABLES STOP SUIVEURONCE trailingStopType = 1 // Trailing Stop - 0 OFF, 1 ONONCE trailingstoplong = 60// Trailing Stop Atr Relative DistanceONCE trailingstopshort = 60 // Trailing Stop Atr Relative DistanceONCE atrtrailingperiod = 14 // Atr parameter ValueONCE minstop = 0 // Minimum Trailing Stop Distance// TRAILINGSTOP//----------------------------------------------atrtrail = AverageTrueRange[atrtrailingperiod]((close/10)*pipsize)/1000trailingstartl = round(atrtrail*trailingstoplong)trailingstartS = round(atrtrail*trailingstopshort)if trailingStopType = 1 THENTGL =trailingstartlTGS=trailingstartsif not onmarket thenMAXPRICE = 0MINPRICE = closePREZZOUSCITA = 0ENDIFif longonmarket thenMAXPRICE = MAX(MAXPRICE,close)if MAXPRICE-tradeprice(1)>=TGL*pointsize thenif MAXPRICE-tradeprice(1)>=MINSTOP thenPREZZOUSCITA = MAXPRICE-TGL*pointsizeELSEPREZZOUSCITA = MAXPRICE - MINSTOP*pointsizeENDIFENDIFENDIFif shortonmarket thenMINPRICE = MIN(MINPRICE,close)if tradeprice(1)-MINPRICE>=TGS*pointsize thenif tradeprice(1)-MINPRICE>=MINSTOP thenPREZZOUSCITA = MINPRICE+TGS*pointsizeELSEPREZZOUSCITA = MINPRICE + MINSTOP*pointsizeENDIFENDIFENDIFif onmarket and PREZZOUSCITA>0 thenEXITSHORT AT PREZZOUSCITA STOPSELL AT PREZZOUSCITA STOPENDIFENDIF2 users thanked author for this post.
01/20/2021 at 11:31 AM #158648By the time optimised result show the need to increase you short SL you might have lost all your gains.
When you can see that the market has switched to downtrend (on Algo timeframe) then pick a long downtrend within the bars available to you and optimise over that long downtrend period?
Or, easier, use Walk Forward to give an indication as to – what period re-optimisation is needed – and re-optimise accordingly.
Or even easier … re-optimsie every weekend or once per month??
01/20/2021 at 1:27 PM #158672re-optimsie every weekend or once per month??
Surely the data set dosent change much over a week or month, you would get the same results?
Im genuinely interested, does this work? Have you had success reoptimising weekly in any algo?
01/20/2021 at 1:47 PM #158676the data set dosent change much over a week
It sure does if on a 5 sec TF as 100 k bars is just about 1 week. 🙂
Have you had success reoptimising weekly in any algo?
Yes, but I seem to be in a state of constanf flux as I am running 100 Algos on Demo Forward Test and hardly get time to live the rest of my life never mind re-optimsing when I’d like to! 🙂
But I often use the exact same Algo and optimise v1 over 10k bras and v2 over 100k bars and then run the 2 versions. You should try it – depending on the strategy, timeframe and market / price action during the OOS test period – often the 10k bars opti version is more nimble and is in and out of trades quicker and more profit results.
I guess we need varions versions to set running depending on the predominant market / price action / trend prevailing for a given timeframe?
If I was better at coding then maybe I could achieve above in the code?
I am very interested to find out if the Algos on The MarketPlace are able to achieve above in their code?
01/24/2021 at 8:45 AM #159159But I often use the exact same Algo and optimise v1 over 10k bras and v2 over 100k bars and then run the 2 versions. You should try it – depending on the strategy, timeframe and market / price action during the OOS test period – often the 10k bars opti version is more nimble and is in and out of trades quicker and more profit results.
Dear GraHal,
For the 3min vectorial strategy, witch variables do you optimise ? And on which frequency (week month …) and bars ?
Can you make a post to explain your optimisation strategy to make an algo usefull over a year and more ?
Thanks
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01/24/2021 at 1:07 PM #15922901/24/2021 at 1:24 PM #159230There are loads of Topics where Optimization is discussed. If you use the Search box you can find them as it is good to read various user opinions and experience.
Below are from the Blog on the top toolbar
https://www.prorealcode.com/blog/learning/strategy-optimisation-walk-analysis/
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01/24/2021 at 4:22 PM #159274For optimisation try another approach perhaps.
No trailingstop, a breakeven and if triggered a slightly negative result, no weekend, only long/only short.
a relatively small stoploss. range 0.4-1%
profittarget with increments of the stoploss (0.67-1-1.33-1.67-2), breakeven 0.67% from profittarget.
no trailingstop to avoid small profits which don’t weigh good against the max losses. A trailingstop may also hide the fact that the entry was not that good, as is the same if trading long and short at the same time or other optimised exit criteria.
Lots of benefits like saving on a parameters, ofcourse ts will be missed sometimes. Just another way of testing and one way to have more reliable optimisation parameters for a good entry.
i.e. dow 5 min, 30k. test
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01/24/2021 at 8:32 PM #159297Dear Paul,
First, thanks for this code.
I understand what you say about trailingstop (no trailingstop to avoid small profits which don’t weigh good against the max losses).
But when you start with a small capital, this is psychological, a little win is better than a big lose for tomorrow, maybe not for the end of the week or month.
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