VUSA daily Buy and hold v2.0
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04/18/2017 at 11:22 AM #3242104/29/2017 at 2:08 PM #33962
Great work.!
You are realistically thinking of the bigger picture. A lot of facts in your thinking and reason for this code.
Points to ponder. Also making one also re-evalute one’s own strategy…My brain ishurting now.! Slowly trying to process and digest your code then reading it again…
Thank you.
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05/12/2017 at 10:37 PM #35377@Kasper:
I will do some tests when my internet is back on. Sorry for the delay.
Maybe you want try this strategy on a robotics/automation etf.
Have you been able to look into different exit strategies? Or adding other timing models to avoid DD?
05/13/2017 at 10:50 AM #35399Great work Kasper, as always.
At what point should Buy & Hold consider exiting? >38% DD? Never … just hang on? If there is a clear economic turn-down?
I can’t help thinking that whatever Fund, Index etc regular Buys are made then an Elliott Wave Cycle will be in play and better returns would result by reading the Major Wave.
Exit after early signs of retrace (on major Wave only) or even after a strong run up (>x% over x weeks – often a sign trend is near exhausted) and buy in to another Fund (or several / diversify) at a more favourable point on a major Wave.
But then above is not the point of your study and is no different than a normal Strategy?
But then maybe it’s the Time frame of Months / Years on a Major Elliott Wave and monthly Buys that make your Strategy different than normal??
Consideration of the right time to Exit has to be part of any Investment? Doesn’t even have to be in the Code … could be a manual / visual check weekly or monthly?
Just a few thoughts anyway
GraHal05/14/2017 at 7:22 PM #35500Hi Grahal.
The books I’v read had 3 overall exits strategies. They were all in case of you needed to protect your equity. So one has to determine how much he’s willing to loose in %DD pr year. 20, 25 or 33%. I’d pick 25%- Then hold until you grow old- exit when going on pension 🙂
You could argue of any indicator entry strategies, but over the period of 25 years, just buy 1 or 2 times a year- it will avenging it self out. I played with a simple EMA, so just entry when it has a small retracement.
But don’t go and buy DAX etf- the strategy will never hold (use pathfinder for that- it was developed for Etf and not leveraged CFD). Buy Russel3000 or All world stocks etf- so you you have as much spread of the underlying market. for me I’d pick a steady growing ETF- 10-12% a year in average, and no more that 0.25% commission a year. morningstar.co.uk may be a good place to research your ETF’s
also take in consideration your pension benefits. I created a pension account where I put in 100 euro a month. and the plan is to trade once or twice a year. Take in consideration the commission for the trade.
The main reason I did this analysis was to shine some light upon overnight fees. The conclusion was sadly that IG takes 40% of your gains with their overnight fees. Other brokers don’t have overnight fees, but they might not have the ability to back test or automate your system. But hey, I don’t need that for 1-2 trades a year
I discussed with IG about not having a CFD account for ETF’s because that’s what making the overnight fees, though I don’t see any difference in the IG’s ETF- it not leveraged in their CFD account- it pays the same as a normal ETF. Maybe I missed out the point here?!? anyway IG was looking into offering non CFD accounts for ETF’s. I also see the same with all the major banks here in DK- they are offering the ETF account and possibility for trading this. Simply because many traders are going this way- they want a peace of the action, even if it a small commission of 0.25% to pay.
The whole buy and hold strategy is derived in keeping your cost at a minimum. and then rely on the greatest power in the universe- Compounding interests! just do the math, even 1% in cost a year, will have a greater impact in 35 years that you can imagine
These are the ETF i’v found interesting:
Total U.S Stock market
- db x-trackers S&P 500 Equal Weight UCITS ETF (DR) 1C (XDEW)
- SPDR® Russell 3000 US Total Market UCITS ETF (EUR) | ZPR3
Total World Ex-U.S
- Vanguard All-World ex-US Shares Index ETF (AUD) | VEU
- SPDR® MSCI ACWI ex-US ETF (USD) | CWI
Total world Including U.S
- Vanguard Total World Stock Index Fund ETF Shares (MXN) | VT
- SPDR® MSCI ACWI UCITS ETF (GBP) | ACWI
Total Bond Market U.S
- Vanguard Total Bond Market Index Fund ETF Shares (USD) | BND
- iShares Core U.S. Aggregate Bond ETF (USD) | AGG
Cheers Kasper
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