Willingness to share strategy in public
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06/17/2020 at 12:02 AM #136206
Dear All,
If there is a poll function, then this topic can have a statistical view easily 🙂
Personally, I’m willing to share some working strategies for community benefit and also for getting new ideas to improve. If there is a strategy shared in forum where I use it then improve on it, then for sure to share it as give back.
How willing are you to share your strategy in public (Forum, Library, Blog) and what is your take for strategy sharing (pro and con)?
I’m not siding to whether should or should you not share your strategy, but more to see different point of view. There is nothing wrong for either side of the choice.
I thanks for those who are sharing their strategy that benefits me and community.
PS: I noticed PRC library has less and less people sharing their strategy, not sure why
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06/17/2020 at 12:42 AM #136208Thank you for sharing your code.
Actually there are many strategies in the library and some of them are very popular and profitable, some share good ideas but maybe would need some improvements, some are just good examples on how (not) to write code and they are worth while reading and practicing with.
Also some screeners are nice ideas that could be converted into a strategy.
Compared to strategies and screeneres, there are tons of indicators! They are easier to write and they involve less responsability (though not legal reponsability). Some of them are just statistics, some are just embellishing other existing indicators with graphics. Moreover, indicators can be used by manual traders, strategies cannot!
Writing an indicator that identifies candlestick patterns is fairly easy, just a bit time consuming, while coding a strategy on those patterns that have been identified is way more difficult.
When you trade manually and a pattern is identified you have time to think about it, analyze the market from different views and maybe enter (or not) at market 1 or two minutes AFTER the pattern is identified. A strategy cannot wait, when a candle closes and a pattern is identified it has to enter or not to enter without having a chance to visualize the market but acting upon conditions set days or weeks before by a programmer. They are more prone to errors because there’s no human decision in them.
Moreover, people fear that sharing their code could help someone make them better for themselves and make them profitable, while the original one may not be good enough.
Anyway, there are some good ideas and code in the library and in many posts. It’s just a matter of testing, coding, debugging, make changes….. in a word TIME! But it can be rewarding spending it.
06/17/2020 at 8:44 AM #136218There are posts that are launched in the library that I refuse to avoid misleading the bulk of visitors. As Roberto states, some codes are there only to educate people on how to program. I think that over time, we have managed to educate apprentice programmers on the harms of over-optimization and on the advantages of IS and OOS tests; this necessarily implies a drop in the sharing of non robust strategies, certainly less rewarding for the amount of posts in the library I agree 🙂
Regarding the advantages and disadvantages of sharing strategies or not, I think that when you think about it, the advantages outweigh the disadvantages. Feeding on the ideas of others makes us irremediably advance and also propels us more quickly towards states of consciousness with respect to our work that we will not have had by staying alone in our cellar with our code and our backtests.
06/17/2020 at 1:09 PM #136255I think that once you are confident enough in your own strategies that you can post without fearing criticism that sharing is a good thing
Personally I have noticed that it is more common for people to share in the proorder thread than to have the bright light of a library post
06/18/2020 at 6:12 AM #136332Moreover, people fear that sharing their code could help someone make them better for themselves and make them profitable, while the original one may not be good enough.
@robertogozzi, you spoke the heart of many programmers here. Particularly this statement, some people may think a good strategy will loss their edge once become public, so likely might have customized it to be unique. It is a myth or truth?
There are posts that are launched in the library that I refuse to avoid misleading the bulk of visitors
Thanks, @Nicolas for your work and effort to qualify them for the good of community.
06/18/2020 at 9:33 AM #13637306/18/2020 at 10:41 AM #136385a good strategy will loss their edge once become public, so likely might have customized it to be unique. It is a myth or truth?
Definitely a myth. How would one hundred or one thousand people could make move a country index just with a trading strategy used on their own trading account with a CFD broker?
06/18/2020 at 11:15 AM #13639106/23/2020 at 8:05 AM #136871top coders on this forum don’t share their most profitable algorithms
Haha, I think so. But I can understand, since the effort to build a profitable algo is very large, what is in for them to just share it? It is hard to see others will just take advantage, while they spent days and nights for it and such effort is not rewarded. I think that’s why @Nicolas started the market place. Looking forward, but seems postponed.
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06/29/2020 at 10:46 AM #137473Nobody doing it big with their own custom tools and systems with decades of blood, tears, failures and margin calls will share their code with the public. This is not something to even debate about and is simple as that. Those who debate just haven’t been in the game long enough to realize how hard is to become profitable alone on the consistent basis and not even talking systematic. Thats a whole different ball game. Yes, there are people winning but only a small % and they are very smart, have tremendous amounts of real experience and are living, breathing and eating markets fwiw. It is such a tough game that the room between loss and win is small af and everything has to be done with exact precision as per your edge considering you have one. So making your code public goes straight out the window imho. That being said I wish everyones best of luck and smooth sailing!
Regards,
Bel.
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07/14/2020 at 8:22 PM #139282Hey everyone,Got new here after years of trading system studies I think I have found one that is very profitable I have no problem sharing it.Since I do not like to be trading non-stop (too monotonous behind the screen), this is of course unique to automatic trading.Since I am new I would like to get in touch 1 on 1 with someone on watch app or via email————who can give me a bit of information in this,I would like to hear:Hey everyone,
Got new here after years of trading system studies I think I have found one that is very profitable I have no problem sharing it.
Since I do not like to be trading non-stop (too monotonous behind the screen), this is of course unique to automatic trading.
Since I am new I would like to get in touch 1: 1 with someone on a watch app or via email ————- who can give me a bit of information in this,
I would like to hear:
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09/08/2020 at 5:11 PM #143639I think another issue that hasn’t been raised with this debate (if you can call it that) is something I heard someone else say on another forum…
“Sharing your algo is like sharing your wife. You put in the hard work and effort to make a relationship work, why would you then share it with others for free.”
Although I don’t truly agree that an algo should be in the same class as your wife lol I do understand the hesitancy of people to share their hard work with others. Unfortunately there are those out there that have no interest in helping anyone and would rather take take take. That is sometimes the unfortunate truth of humanity at times. :/
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